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  • in reply to: crown molding #4646
    ChadBarker
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      Unlike face frame cabinets, the crown molding will not rest on or attach to the top rail, since our cabinets do not have a top rail.

      The crown molding attaches to an L-shaped backer. This backer is separate from both the cabinet and the crown molding. It allows you to pull the crown forward slightly and gives the scribe molding a clean place to terminate.

      We recommend pulling the backer forward by about 1/4″ to 3/8″ to create the separation needed for the transition to look correct.

      See below for pictures showing the backer and crown molding as separate pieces attached to the top of the cabinet case. This setup does not interfere with the cabinet doors at all.

      https://www.citycabinets.com/Crown-Packages-s/206.htm

      Note we have a recommended ceiling height to crown package height for easy reference as well.

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      in reply to: Missing groove for back panel #4644
      ChadBarker
      Keymaster

        Please email customer service at info@citycabinets.com for any issues.

        I checked this job file and found the issue. It looks like a fix we made back in April to correct intermittent unaligned dadoes caused an alignment issue in our cabinet layout program. As a result, the dado missed its mark and was never slated to be performed.

        I have corrected this in your job file, and we will remake the single right side of that cabinet as needed.

        in reply to: Barker Dover White paint match to SW Dover White #4636
        ChadBarker
        Keymaster

          So basically, if you order paint using that picture, the paint should, in theory, be the exact same color we are spraying πŸ™‚

          in reply to: Barker Dover White paint match to SW Dover White #4635
          ChadBarker
          Keymaster

            The picture you posted is from the info bubble on each cabinet. This shows the exact paint mixture we use to spray our Dover color. This is not a match to a standard Sherwin-Williams Dover White color chip as ours is just a slight bit different. Please see below for more information on why this is the case:

            Please note that all of our painted finishes are not color matched to current Sherwin-Williams color codes. They are custom matched to older samples from more than 20 years ago, when we were spraying conversion varnish-based paints and stains.

            For consistency, we have maintained the exact same color formulas from that time. Because the conversion varnish products were not supplied by Sherwin-Williams, the resulting colors differ slightly from standard Sherwin-Williams colors. At the time, the factory matched directly to physical color chips, and we continue to use those exact matches from the early 2000s.

            Below are the current formulas we use for each of our paints. We strongly recommend ordering a sample to view the color under your actual project lighting conditions. For best results, color matching should be done using an actual door from your final order to avoid slight variations between batches mixed at different times and spraying processes. This also helps prevent discrepancies caused by aging, sample wear, or handling. Matching at your local Sherwin-Williams store is quick, so it is best to do this at the final stage to avoid issues during installation.

            in reply to: Tamarack Stain On Walnut #4632
            ChadBarker
            Keymaster

              We use plain sliced walnut veneers for the walnut plywood.

              in reply to: Tamarack Stain On Walnut #4629
              ChadBarker
              Keymaster

                Nice, this is great feedback on stain applications.

                We are currently working on some new tint options this month. The issue with stains is that they can be problematic to apply in the field, especially on existing millwork or other on-site items.

                We have made some progress with adding pigments directly into the clearcoat finish, which allows us to skip the stain application step before the clearcoat is applied. This helps tone down the natural grain and color variation of the wood, making it possible to either lighten or darken the material in a much more consistent way. The underlying grain and color tone become less dominant in the final look.

                Most recently, we tested what we are calling a Weathered finish. This is a clearcoat with a small amount of Italian-made titanium dioxide added as pigment. The effect is that it softly washes out the color of the material while still allowing some of the wood grain to show through, almost like a subtle mask. It is very promising.

                For the Tamarack color, we tested what we will internally call a Smoked finish. The Smoked finish is great because it creates a very tasteful, minimal layer that slightly darkens the material to mimic Tamarack, but without adding red tones.

                I will post pictures of the tests so we can all review. Note that this is in testing only, we may not add these to the website, just testing for fun πŸ˜‰

                in reply to: Whitehaven Apron Sink Height Issue #4627
                ChadBarker
                Keymaster

                  Sure. You could cut the front 2” off the deck you removed and reinstall that front piece in the cabinet, leaving a void behind the face. This would allow the sink to sit 3/4” lower and give you room to add additional custom spacers if needed.

                  One deck should support well over 300 lbs. I have never heard of a 3/4” plywood shelf buckling from normal load. Additional cleating could be added underneath the lower fixed shelf, but I do not think it would be necessary.

                  in reply to: Chestnut Stain #4625
                  ChadBarker
                  Keymaster

                    We have it custom mixed by a local company here in Portland, so it can be a bit tough to get an exact match. That said, a local paint shop should be able to get close.

                    We sell the Chestnut stain at the link below. This stain is water-based, so it goes on easily, but it is really meant to be sprayed on, as that is how we apply it in our large flat-line finishing process to ensure consistency. Clearcoat is then applied over the top.

                    Sherwin-Williams Gallery clear in a 20 sheen is an almost exact match to what we use. We use their industrial line, called AkromaPro, but the underlying formula is almost identical.

                    You can wipe the stain on, but certain woods may get blotchy, especially alder and maple, so be careful with those species.

                    https://www.barkerdoor.com/Chestnut-wood-stain-medium-stain-water-based-p/chestnutstain.htm

                    in reply to: Whitehaven Apron Sink Height Issue #4624
                    ChadBarker
                    Keymaster

                      Yeah, we saw more of these issues back in the early 2000s with the Shaw Original sinks that were all handmade in England. They were pretty bad back then, and I believe they are still around, as I saw one not too long ago.

                      Rather than replacing the sink, it may be simpler to remove the top fixed shelf, cut off and discard the rear portion, and then reinstall just the front face of that fixed shelf back into the opening so it looks correct from the front. Once that face piece is back in place, you can add solid wood shims as needed behind it to get the sink to the correct height.

                      I ran into a similar situation once when an appliance changed after the cabinets were built. In that case, it was a coffee maker. I used an oscillating multi-tool and cut through the confirmat screws because I knew their exact locations from the CAD drawings. Then I pulled the shelf out of the already assembled cabinet, cut the face off the shelf, reinstalled the face piece, and had the space I needed behind it for shimming. It took about 20 minutes, but it did require some on-site cutting.

                      The other option would be to use an angle grinder and carefully trim the legs on the underside of the sink, or cut larger holes in the shelf where the sink legs sit. Those options are a bit more dodgy, to be honest, so I would lean toward modifying the fixed shelf if possible.

                      in reply to: Custom Height Cabinets: what dimensions change? #4617
                      ChadBarker
                      Keymaster

                        The top drawer front will stay locked in at 5 7/8″ tall. Only the lower front will increase in height proportionally.

                        This is true as long as you leave the Drawer Front Heights option set to the default setting.

                        If you select Equal Height Fronts, then the fronts will stay equal in height and will all increase proportionally as the cabinet height gets taller.

                        in reply to: 36″ Cooktop Over a 30″ Oven Challenge #4616
                        ChadBarker
                        Keymaster

                          We would not be able to modify the top drawer box off the inside wall of the cabinet case on one side. This would cause massive issues with our cabinet layout program, resulting in errors.

                          Straddling the cooktop into the adjacent cabinets is fine, but the top drawer box in the cabinet to the left or right will almost certainly have issues if the cooktop is intruding into the top of the cabinet in that area, as you noted.

                          You are welcome to order the cabinet as needed, without the drawer box modification, install everything as planned, and then order a new custom drawer box in the correct size over on BarkerDoor.com.

                          This turns a fairly complex issue into just a couple of new drawer boxes and one follow-up order. Once broken down into those steps, it is fairly easy. You would be able to reuse the existing drawer front and slides. All that would be needed is a new drawer box that is slightly narrower than the original.

                          https://www.barkerdoor.com/Custom-Drawer-Boxes-s/76.htm

                          in reply to: Additions to existing kitchen cabinets & “built-in” #4615
                          ChadBarker
                          Keymaster

                            Yeah, for the kitchen upper cabinets, I would go with exposed shelves up top and then match the stain as closely as possible.

                            We would not be able to match the existing stain on our end, so you would likely want to handle that locally. The best option would be to take one of the older doors to a local paint or stain shop and have them match the color directly from the sample.

                            The material in the photos looks like red oak to me. We do sell new red oak wall cabinets with exposed interior construction, so the cabinet interiors would be raw red oak and could be stained on site.

                            https://www.citycabinets.com/Exposed-Interior-Kitchen-Cabinets-s/95.htm

                            For the under-stairs area, this is a bit trickier because you are getting into some very shallow-depth cabinetry. What you currently have looks like it works fairly well and looks good. Adding shallow-depth cabinets in that area could make it look worse unless it is done with a high level of finish carpentry so the new cabinet work blends cleanly into the existing casework.

                            in reply to: Just Doors #4599
                            ChadBarker
                            Keymaster

                              Correct. We sell the doors by themselves over on BarkerDoor.com.

                              That would need to be a separate order, as specifying individual cabinet doors is a bit more technical than when the door is included with the cabinet case. You will have a few more options to select from.

                              That said, the doors sold on BarkerDoor.com are the exact same doors used on our cabinets.

                              in reply to: Stove Wall Design Clarifications #4597
                              ChadBarker
                              Keymaster

                                I don’t have the cabinet pulled up in CAD right now, and we offer two separate tray wall cabinet versions, so this really depends on which one is being used.

                                You should have about 3″ of space between each tray divider partition. That is pretty tight, so if you cannot access the back by hand, a longer drill extension may be the best option to make it work.

                                Personally, I have only installed the version where the trays stop about halfway up inside the cabinet, so unfortunately I have not installed this exact version on site.

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                                in reply to: PAINT SAMPLE #4591
                                ChadBarker
                                Keymaster

                                  Yeah, we can remake the front pretty easily. The charge would be negligible, and we usually handle small items like this as goodwill gestures, as long as the customer is being reasonable.

                                  If it is a larger order and the customer is not being overly nit-picky, remaking a single door is usually not a big issue in the grand scheme of things. Email customer service for assistance.

                                  We do not sell a touch-up kit because the paint we use cannot, or at least should not, be applied by hand brushing or roller. It really needs to be sprayed to achieve the best-quality or at least passable final product.

                                  The actual Pure White paint formula is attached.

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